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Moac Tor wrote:

afkalt wrote:

Moac Tor wrote:

Trinkets friend wrote:

Moac Tor,

That fit...the DPS numbers you quoted at extreme range are 10% of the optimal. So at 37km your Broadsword does 50 / 60 DPS.

It's still a tackle ship. It is, as FT Diomedes says, still a fat, sludgy brick.

I could have gone for an artillery broadsword, although due to the state of artillery I figured it is generally a pretty terrible choice. Although that is a minmatar specific problem. So you are correct the fit that I linked would be needing to operate at around 20km although would have loads of extra room to play with if it needs.

You can achieve a very similar result with the Onyx though;

[Onyx, Onyx PvP]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 25
50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Warp Disruption Field Generator II, Focused Warp Disruption Script

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

That would give you 582dps @ 30.4 km, or you could fit javelin ammo or use rapid lights or HMLs and hit way beyond that. The rest of the stats are very similar to the Broadsword.

Also I don't understand why you think these will be a "fat, sludgy brick.". They are comparable to any other cruiser. I'd use that description for a a battleship or BC but definitely not a HIC (particularly the shield tanked ones). It will be more like an 'agile fast brick'. And you have to bare in mind that these will stop you from activating a MWD at 37.5km which means they will generally have the range control in almost all encounters.

If these are as powerful as they seem then people will soon be skilled up to level 5 to fly them, and so I wouldn't consider that a balancing factor, and would certainly not be good to balance so heavily on SP from a game design perspective.

(Also I don't usually claim that stuff broken. The last two times I did flag up issues was when Rise announced the Garmur and during the Ishtar and drone dominance meta, on both of which I was right and I remember similar arguments being used by people arguing that the garmur would be fine. I wouldn't be flagging this one up either unless it was obviously horribly broken)

Onyx moves like a crippled slug. What's that, 1500ms or something? My BS are faster.

You're also going to want a painter so lose some tank.

1991 m/s OH / 1410 m/s & 7.9 s align (faster than any BS)

The thing you have to remember is that you can use your scram defensively meaning that your going to have range control because you are turning off your opponents MWD @ 37.5 km. It is that fact coupled with the raw EHP and DPS of the HICs which are the game breakers.

Harvey James wrote:

why would you use HAM's on an onyx when you can use 47.5km RLML's at 511 dps and actually get that full dps?

Because the reload is bloody annoying and HAMs will still give you enough range. But yes it depends what targets you are hunting, for smaller stuff RLMLs will be a much better choice so you don't have to sacrifice tank for a target painter, for target such as BC and above HAMs are a better choice.